Manuka is a Maori Word (so there) – KM116

This is Episode One Hundred and Sixteen of our beekeeping show.



We are Gary and Margaret, we love Honeybees, we are kiwimana and we are Beekeepers who live in the Waitakere Ranges, on the Wild West coast of Auckland, in New Zealand.

kiwimana is a place where the beekeeping community can share a conversation and connect and in this episode, we talk about:-

  • So Who Owns the Name Manuka Honey?
  • Monsanto targets bee-killing varroa
  • Do 1 In 10 Australian Pollination Hives Have AFB?

…we also – as if that wasn’ t enough – build and sell beekeeping supplies, we teach beginner Beekeepers and provide beekeeper services and advice. And we are the “beesknees Club, Facebook group

Great to have you joining us, we know life is busy for you so we appreciate that you have taken the time to join us today – thanks so much for beeing part of the kiwimana buzz.

We also have been known to go off on tangents about other issues.

It’s Spring in New Zealand!!! What has been happening in the weather?..and this means the bees are dealing with rain!!!

Go Cook For Your Pets Day

Today is 1 November 2017 and its Go Cook For Your Pets Day.

Maybe make your Bees some Sugar Syrup, here is how Gary Makes it:-


What’s been happening at kiwimana?


  • Got a new Car!!!
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  • Time off !? – Nope a Week of work at kiwimana HQ


  • Swarm Calls
  • DECA sign-offs – due by 30th November 2017 ADR
  • Queen Cells / Splitsville
  • Introduction to the World of Beekeeping Course
  • Nucleus colonies on their way
  • Shout out to a very special lady from Te Kuiti – Glenn gave us donation

What should you be doing with your bees?

  • In New Zealand – managing brood space, drone cell checks for varroa, nectar rather than honey management and why. Is preemptive splitting the way to go and if so what are the advantages?
  • In Uk – Wintered down ? Space reduction, treatments, food
  • In USA – Wintered down ?

Michael Parmer Video on Overwintering Nucs – “The Sustainable Apiary”

Blog Recap

Top three Blog Posts you chose Last Month


  1. Practical Beekeeping With Roger Patterson
  2. Stinking Success
  3. How to Become an Insecticide Labelling Ninja

Feedback from Last Show

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So Who Owns the Name Manuka Honey, New Zealand, or Australia? It’s Up in the Air Right Now

A battle is brewing to who owns the name Manuka used to describe “Leptospermum scoparium” Honey. Tasmanian Beekeeper “Lindsay Bourke” claims that Manuka is Aboriginal name?

Get in touch with Lindsay HERE

Here is the Oxford Dictionaries definition and origin of Manuka

Lindsay Bourke

Master beekeeper Lindsay Bourke, Australian Honey Bee Industry Council chairman, is against NZ’s push to trademark manuka honey. 

The Kiwis claimed manuka as a Maori word but Mr Bourke said it was an Aboriginal name.

So Who Owns the Name Manuka Honey, New Zealand, or Australia? It’s Up in the Air Right Now

Your Feedback

Lots of Feedback on this article through the Bees Knees Club FB Group.

Anthony Mead Manuka, an Aboriginal name? Then I’m a monkey’s uncle. I think we have another Pavlova situation happening! !!!
Phil Evans It’s the name of a plant that grows in both countries. It should not be a competition. That’s just selfish and arrogant. Sorry, but it is. Nobody owns it and everyone who can make honey from Manuka should be able to do what they want with their honey. There should be a single standardised test to determine the makeup and quality of UMF. No-one owns manuka honey…
Anthony Mead Agreed, it’s too important with all its medical properties, especially with all the antibiotic resistance bug’s around in hospitals. Perhaps a joint venture between the two countries to convert it into a new treatments.
Phil Evans Anthony Mead and heavy penalties for any company that makes fake stuff…
Anthony Mead Yeah, I was just reading about fake honey in Europe yesterday, not surprising to find out where it comes from. They should really fight it when they find out these fake and miss labeled product.
Sam Gray Anthony Mead Comvita and Capilano are way ahead of you. They have been in business together for years now.
Anthony Mead Nice! I’m very new to the Whole bee keeping thing. Good to know about these things. ??
Phil Evans Sam Gray I have to say Comvita has destroyed the ability of people to buy reasonably priced manuka. While good for beekeepers, a 400g pot of UMF10 blended with other honey is $55. So unless you are producing your own, forget about having access to it for most people.
Sam Gray Phil Evans it has been like that for a while now. It’s even more expensive than that up the coast at Tikitiki. It’s not just Comvita either. Won’t disagree with you though on them taking it to the next level.
Margaret Groot I think Australians are missing a trick here, I think they may want to form their own branding, use their own method of valuing their Jelly Bush Honey, label it and promote it accordingly, create their own identity of honey health measure. Riding on the coat-tails of someone else’s work seems wrong in my view. The work done to measure honey health benefits didn’t just happen without effort, lots of work went into the research and branding. Selfish and arrogant !? More like hard work and effort, resulting in a great product grown right in New Zealand, in New Zealand soil.
Phil Evans Margaret Groot the problem I am referring to is that companies like Comvita buy up just about every source of manuka honey at high prices from the growers, mostly for export and the medical industry. That puts it well out of reach for ordinary New Zealanders to buy. It’s a bit like butter and dairy products. The emphasis is to give farmers as much as possible and f#$@ the NZ consumer. There needs to be some kind of balance, and beekeepers could be helping with that by only selling half their crops of manuka to comvita etc, and allowing more onto the local market and more affordable…
Margaret Groot I agree that local kiwis are suffering due to export markets driving up prices. Local folks are paying heavily for products that we should be getting at fairer pricing. My main concern on a personal level is the price of meat, milk, cheese, fresh veggies. There definitely seems to be a bullying mentality going on, suppliers just telling kiwi consumers to just deal with it, unfortunately our wages are so low and our cost of living so high and combine that with such low wages the only people winning are shareholders and board members of those corporates who ‘own’ those suppliers. My view is support local producers. The other idea is for the government to support producers of home- grown products with subsidies so they can supply us locals at a reasonable and fair price. Cheers Phil Evans
Phil Evans Margaret there is a reason for everything in your comment… f%\#%king National Party… Sorry, but it’s true. They have no respect for people, its all business power money and nothing else concerns them at all. Anyone who votes for National is basically telling the ‘people’ to get F&#@ed, that their business is far more important…
Margaret Groot Yeah interesting to see what Winnie does. Hey did we just go off in a tangent Phil Evans ; )
Phil Evans Margaret Groot Yeah sorry, but the tangent was valid to explain the high prices of manuka honey and butter…
Margaret Groot I love tangents so all good : ) and absolutely hear you.
Sam Gray Margaret you may want to research +ULF “Unique Leptospermum Factor”. It’s Australia’s brand of testing. They have been doing for a while as well. It’s The same test as that is done here in NZ.

It’s no ones fault that the same plant grows in 2 different countries. At the end of the day it falls back on the honey industry for ripping off the consumer for all these years. Here in NZ and in Australia.

Just because another country is trying to take advantage of the world consumer, is not a reason to get upset. 🙂
Anthony Mead Fonterra tells us that the reason our prices for are dairy are so high, is that we are paying International prices! For what F@#$ing reason. Does China pay International prices for rice? ?? The price of milk and butter has gone up again. I think that they are making us pay for their low milk powder prices! B#@#@DS

Phil Evans Anthony Mead Totally agree, and the same for petrol. all controlled by auction prices in some stock exchange somewhere that no-one has any input into.
Anthony Mead You hit the nail on the head Phil!
Wai Awarau Manuka is Maori … say no more …Leptospermum is relevant to both countries…
kiwimana Yes wasn’t it called Jelly Bush Honey until Manuka become popular? I never knew that Australian Aborigines spoke ‘Te Reo’?
Phil Evans The point is that Manuka belongs to NZ, as it is a maori name. Aussie, find your own name for the product that is made in your country. Don’t care it is almost identical, Manuka is Kiwi, never aussie… Stop trying to steal another commodity that belongs to NZ
Lukah Bees New Zealand Should own the name. They did the research and the marketing to make an Industries of it. In Australia we have fair variety of Leptospermum including scoparium which also have an active ingredient, but I think we need to have our own name and let it hold itself alone against NZ Manuka.
Gabriel Henry Is “Manuka” not a Maori word!
Australian Aboriginal people have an indigenous name of melaleuca for their shrub that is similar( but not the same ) as our New Zealand Manuka, so honey produced in Australia is not Manuka honey but melaleuca honey
Hayden Northcott Pavlova… History never repeats itself…

Why are my bees crawling in front of the hive?

Hmmm this is a mystery, what could it bee? The suspects are Tracheal Mites, Pesticides, virus from varroa mites. You will have to read this to find out what Rusty has discovered.

We call them crawlers. They can appear any time of year but are most prevalent in the fall. They inch along the landing board, cling to blades of grass, or struggle among twigs and small stones.


Why are my bees crawling in front of the hive?

Your Feedback

Jim Carroll you should test them for Dysentry

Delete the protein from your comb honey

Hmmm a shocking story from Rusty from Honey BeeSuite, Anyone want some dead Baby Bees on your toast.

So gross! A few days ago, I received a message from a purchaser of honey. She had just acquired her very first sample of honey-in-the-comb from her local farmer’s market. Based on her description, I would say it was “chunk honey” a piece of comb in a jar surrounded by extracted honey.

When she got home, she opened the jar to find three larvae floating on top of the honey. Not only floating, but swimming. They were still alive!

Delete the protein from your comb honey

Your Feedback

Paulo Jmd Silva Nothing wrong with bee larvae or wax worms, they are good protein for us or just give them to the chickens.

The danger comes from what we can’t see, all the dangerous stuff that beekeepers put in the hives on purpose or by not knowing what’s in the wax foundation they buy or products to treat/prevent (rather hide) some diseases.

For varroa mites there are also some treatments people put in the hives while the bees make honey combs and fill those with honey. Residues of those treatments might not be present in dangerous amounts but can react with other chemicals and become something dangerous.

Don Simm No thanks

Monsanto targets bee-killing varroa mites through RNA interference

Monsanto will be trialing a new treatment that uses RNA interference to suppress certain genes in the Varroa Destructor mites. Fields trials are starting in North America in 2017 and the treatment is meant to harmless to Honey Bees.

Scientists at Monsanto are researching a product that aims to control Varroa mite infestations, improving bee health and colony survival.

Monsanto targets bee-killing varroa mites through RNA interference

Your Feedback

Aaron Standen Mixed feelings on this
Mark Kirkwood Yip me too, i don’t trust them!
Katherine Steeds Monsanto may redeem itself yet.
Margaret Groot I would love that to be the case but I feel it’s more about money rather than helping Bees, it would take a lot of convincing I’m afraid.
Katherine Steeds Margaret, did you know if you click on your post you can edit it? 🙂
Anthony Mead OMG, I wouldn’t trust those Ba#@#ds as far I could throw them.
Don MacLeod Monsanto picked up these patents for this development from an Israeli research company. They date back to 2009……and it appears they now have a product to use in the hive. Patents EP2488646 A1 and US9662348. Other researchers are working on similar techniques in Europe. With chemical resistance becoming more widespread this methodology offers a new varroa control mechanism.
Stephen Stewart Why do I get that feeling this is going to go horribly wrong?
Tui-Shalimar Maher Its because monstersanto are involved….
James Mclaughlin Are you thinking of Burl Ives?
John Granger Monsanto the good????

Detective dogs sniff out ‘brown snot’ bee disease

Great idea from Richelle Doerner-Corson from Gowenleagold Honey’s, they have trained dogs to detect AFB in Bee Colonies.

American Foul Brood (AFB) corrupts and destroys bee hives all over the country, but thanks to a group of rescue dogs, it’s becoming easier to detect.

Detective dogs sniff out ‘brown snot’ bee disease

Your Feedback

Robert McInnes There is 2 of these dogs in canterbury, Cost alot of $$$ but worth it tho

1 in 10 Australian Pollination Hives Have AFB

Hives from Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland that had been moved to Victoria for Almond pollination have been found to have American Foulbrood. A large scale audit was conducted by Agriculture Victoria. The audit found that 10% of hives were infected with the spore.

Agriculture Victoria senior apiary officer Joe Riordan said there was a risk of pests and diseases spreading during almond pollination due to the high density of hives.

1 i n 10 Australian Pollination Hives Have AFB

Tangent: Also Gary’s Cousin Named ‘Yorkshire Man of the Year’

Your Feedback

Robert McInnes Just the head line is scary enough
Sam Redman from South Australia Not on my little island we dont 🙂 KI that is
Craig Lovell Crickey! That’s some seriously scary numbers

Questions from you

The team discuss where do you get Nucs for a Top Bar Hives.

If you have a question, email us at [email protected] and will answer it on the next show. Or visit our speakpipe page HERE and leave a question

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Customer Review Reward goes to…

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As a small thank you to our customers we ask for a “product review” and from there, we randomly select two customer product reviews every month so they can go into a draw for a $30 kiwimana gift certificate – a prize you can use!


We have moved this to the kiwimana Newsletter this month’s winners were:-

Julie S from Okaihau has won!!! Julie bought some Beehive Frames and here what she said:-

Great product and very easily assembled

Thanks, Julie !!!

Tom Dixon from Wellington. Tom bought some Beehive Frames and here what he said:-

Great product and very easily assembled, also purchased a 3/4 depth….. no problems, quick despatch 🙂


Feedback from you guys!!!

The twitters

@HeatherJakell from North America

Hi Gary and Margaret! My name is Heather. I’m a first-year beekeeper.

I have two small children, one of which a five-year-old girl who screamed at the sight of bees after one landed on her flower dress last summer.

I have been fascinated with bees since I started gardening about six years ago. It broke my heart to see how pesticides and mites were affecting their population. I’m happy to say one season in I have two thriving hives a beautiful garden and my daughter is asking for her own bee suit to help out.

There is not many beekeepers in my area and doesn’t seem to be too many on social media. I’m happy for people like you two who can post videos to help and share ideas. I look forward to your posts. Thank you!

Heather Jakell

The Bonus Show

In this week’s Bonus show we talk about Concerns at Papamoa and Massey University Research advice about manuka. The bonus show is for our Amazing Patrons.
The Bonus show can be found HERE

Shows coming up

Interviews with Beekeeper Charlotte and Les Crowder coming up.

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Show Times

  • What’s been happening at kiwimana? 02:02
  • Feedback from Last Show 20:52
  • So Who Owns the Name Manuka Honey 23:48
  • Why are my bees crawling in front of the hive? 35:06
  • Delete the protein from your comb honey 36:35
  • Monsanto targets bee-killing varroa mites through RNA interference 39:40
  • Detective dogs sniff out ‘brown snot’ bee disease 45:24
  • 1 in 10 Australian Pollination Hives Have AFB 47:28
  • Questions from you – Top Bar Nucs 50:21
  • Customer Review Reward goes to 51:46
  • Feedback from you guys 53:23
  • The Bonus Show 55:17
  • Shows coming up 56:00

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